John C Sell Jr:
February 16, 2013 at 2:20 pm
First, some of those look pretty cool. Nice work.
Second, I have to say the what the heck is wrong with you people? Especially now when they are trying to take away our rights to own ANY firearm, you are calling one a POS? Sure, Hi-point is not my first choice or maybe even my second but Hi-point has a fairly good track record! If I was at a stage where I needed or wanted a gun and a new Hi-point was what I could afford, I would FOR SURE take a look at it and probably even buy it. Some people might say go used... but it is hard to find a good used anything at the price point of a new Hi-point. And yes I've shot them. Yes, I know about their flaws. Still, is it the best idea to slam something that actually works... isn't that just giving the antis more ammo? Shouldn't we be supportive of all gun manufactures right now? I think so.
And for those of you knocking something simply because it is cheap, cheap does not ALWAYS mean bad. I agree, sometimes you get what you pay for... But I have several "cheaper" guns that work just fine and a couple, like my Kel-Tecs, I would even trust my life to.
February 16, 2013 at 3:11 pm
i have the 9mm and the 45 they shoot just as many shells as they others
February 16, 2013 at 5:12 pm
that was kind of an aimless rant. ADHD? So, because there is a current fight on gun control, we should automatically embrace any gun, even if we feel it is inferior, just because? This is the same emotion based crap we expect from the other side. People are entitled to their preferences and opinions and to express them. Your wish for solidarity is misdirected.
February 16, 2013 at 5:57 pm
That's kind of what i was thinking.We should all run out and buy Lorcin,Jennings,and all the old zinc .25's we can get?
February 16, 2013 at 11:15 pm
All I am saying is, why basically attack a current, in business, manufacture with a good track record and lots of success just because YOU don't like their product. I would bet that if there were as many "POS" comments made against Glock, S&W, Ruger, Sig, etc you would cry foul. If you don't like it fine. But if I'm an anti and I see everyone saying Hi-point is a POS, then that is going to be my next battle cry (aka Saturday Night Specials) because even the gun nuts feel it is a bad gun. And I do think comparing them to so-called "Saturday Night Specials" from some of the now defunct companies you mention is wrong. The price might be low but I think Hi-point is in a much better class.
February 18, 2013 at 10:44 am
NO the idea is you don't condemn what works, if patents were open ended the Hi-Points could not be made because John Browning would hold the rights to their basic designs... it's brainless idiots that rant against guns they have no personal knowledge of that are screaming about "assault rifles" and the same thing is happening with the Hi-Point pistols and carbines... incase you "folks" haven't been paying attention Feinstein and others have included handguns as assault weapons this time, NOT high cap magazines, but semi auto hand guns of any type... Open your eyes and educate thyself... this is an all or nothing action we are facing if this goes through, how long before the rest are gone? and you are infighting because someone realizes the stakes and you don't?
February 16, 2013 at 1:38 pm
It's like I told a friend that wanted to buy one, it's a POS , save your money and buy something better.He asked "Is it reliable?" I answered yes, the ones I've shot have been 100% and accurate.But it's like going out on a date with a very large and ugly girl.While it's a sure thing, you don't want your friends to see, and afterwards you don't really feel good about yourself.
February 16, 2013 at 6:12 pm
Like driving a Dodge.... You may have one and It may be fun, but you'll never admit it!LOL
I think if it's reliable AND accurate, then it by definition isn't a POS, but I wouldn't buy one, either. Not with RIA and others on the market nowadays that aren't THAT much more... I see both sides though. If someone wants one, then they should buy one. It's a free market!
Harley LSx Wright:
February 17, 2013 at 2:15 am
Matt that was down right retarded. My Stratus has 264k on it and is going strong. And my other Dodges.. doubt you have anything that will out pull or out run them.
On Target Designs:
February 17, 2013 at 12:49 pm
Harley ... if you own a Stratus that has 264k on the orig motor and trans... you my friend have a jewel in the rough...lol... all dodges from the early 90s up are not built the way I remember dodges (thats probably why people say things like that) :)
September 11, 2013 at 4:00 pm
Hipoint heavy boxy.? No problem with mine never jamed if I was woried about jaming. Id make the first shot count.
February 16, 2013 at 2:26 pm
Here we are fighting among ourselves when we have a clear and present danger to combat. If we lose this round we may have only ourselves to blame.
Nice work on some of these pistols.
February 16, 2013 at 8:32 pm
They are not my first choice in a firearm, but my earlier statement still stands.
February 16, 2013 at 5:09 pm
I can see why you'd want to paint it, the slide is as big as a canvas. ;)
Seriously though, there is nothing 'wrong' with the HiPnts. I know several folks who have them and they shoot just fine. The aftermarket for these never caught on and most people don't like them because they are "cheap" but I wouldn't hesitate to pick one up and use it to defend myself.
To that, we also have Obama trying to sell the ban of "Saturday Night Special" lie again. Which translates into "poor people shouldn't be able to defend themselves".
Let's please stop with the internet gun bullying. I'm sick of the "my gun is better than your gun" crap. Instead of pissing on other ppls gun choice how about we support each other and say "good on you for joining the ranks of the gunnys".
Oh, and the HP with the wood grips... well wood grips make even the ugliest gun look good.
February 18, 2013 at 10:47 am
some common sense finally!
February 16, 2013 at 3:47 pm
Look at the physics of the gun people. It isn't designed like most semi-autos, therfore you can't shoot it like most semi-autos. Use your brain and take that into consideration, don't limp wrist it even an inch or yes, it will jam. Also think about the ammo you use in it. Your ammo needs to be good enough to work the heavy mechanism. Not all ammo will function the weapon. Of course there will be lemons just like any brand of weapon. But the majority will do just fine if you follow these rules. If you realize that you do have a lemon, the unconditional lifetime warranty will take care of that. Don't be a gun snob, be a smart shooter.
February 16, 2013 at 5:14 pm
yes, do you best to bend over backwards to accommodate an inferior design= smart shooter.
February 16, 2013 at 6:32 pm
Well those are very good points you bring up. Thanks for the info. I am still not sure I miss mine.
February 18, 2013 at 10:46 am
You obviously never shot one, now have you?
February 16, 2013 at 3:04 pm
Just bought a.45 this past week! I haven't even fired it yet, but I'm looking forward to doing so. I read all of the complaitns on here, but who else has a.45 availab;r for under $200.00? I only paid $159.00 for mine, and last time I checked, you can't even buy a.22 for that amout of money! So quit your bitchin! The only thing I see that I'm not too keen on is the pin that must be removed in order to disassemble the firearm! I guess I'll find out just how much I hate this feature the first time I clean it! lol.
John Michael Carlisle:
February 16, 2013 at 8:23 pm
swap the pin out for a screw and you will be happier.. thats what i did to mine. also check out the utube vids on just how much punishment this gun can take. i also did a trigger job on mine and i have about o 4 or 5 lb break which increased my accuracy.
February 16, 2013 at 1:31 pm
apparently u haven't shot one yet.
February 16, 2013 at 2:38 pm
I think it would make the perfect Truck gun, Stick it in your truck and it's always there, It can slide around and get scuffed and scratched but still work when you need it.
February 16, 2013 at 5:01 pm
Thank u Greg! I've owned the .45 for about 7 yrs. I got berettas, Taurus, s & w, and the hi point is still my go to gun when I go out the door. For a combat pistol, at the 25 yd range, it certainly does its job.
February 16, 2013 at 1:35 pm
Don't hate the Hi-point until you fire one. Many of my High end pistols disappoint me much more than the old C9.
February 16, 2013 at 5:15 pm
mine is an informed hatred. I have fired then and I would still never buy one
They have there place, lets leave it at that.
February 16, 2013 at 1:44 pm
I think it's great that we have people who still take pride in owning guns...period!
February 16, 2013 at 8:35 pm
for all you haters out there, there are always personal tweeks and small custom changes that can be made to any gun by the owner to personalize it and increase accuracy and make the gun less likely to jam. with the hipoint you get what you pay for. its a little like a fixer upper. yeah you can move in and live there and even be comfortable but you have to put up curtains and paint the walls and maybe put in carpet and appliances. when I bought mine I had to adjust the feed on the magazines a little and I polished the feed ramp and I gave it a trigger job and changed out one spring to decrease the amount of force required to fire a round. yes in a more expensive gun you wouldn't have to do all that. but you have to pay for it in the price. so far I have fired 900 plus rounds out of my hipoint 9mm with only one jam and my accuracy is just fine. there is a lot of positive things that can be said about this gun as well as negative. but for the price it is well worth it. it fires every time. period.
Aaron J. Talley:
February 16, 2013 at 3:59 pm
I own a Hi-Point 9mm, is it my nicest gun? no...I carry it when I'm out boating or salt water fishing. Who want to subject a $600 gun to those conditions? If my hi-point falls overboard, oh well, it's a hi-point. On reliability, it's good provided the right ammo is used. Certain HP ammo tends to hang on the feed ramp, but anything with a rounded end will cycle all day long.
February 16, 2013 at 1:20 pm
Well...I guess you CAN polish a turd, but why would you want to? Remember...Friends don't let friends carry Hi Points (or Jennings, Bryco, Lorcin, Jiminez.....).
February 18, 2013 at 10:57 am
what about talking out their asses? or pose like a wannabe for an internet avatar?
Mark Eric Allard:
February 16, 2013 at 7:48 pm
Sean Francisco, I hope you don't mind but I took a look at your FB page and am convinced you know a thing or two about personal defense. I was particularly impressed with your personal quotes that would imply rational behavior as a means of not having to use a side arm, but if you need one to be prepared. I value this point of view for its common sense approach which unfortunately so few gun owners show today. I'm not saying they don't have common sense they simply fail to use it, especially when speaking on gun control.Statements that infer violent action in defense of ones right to own a firearm only serve to convince those who oppose gun ownership that there is a reason to fear us that value our rights provoking them to act even stronger to oppose us.
Now to my real reason for responding I own and value my Hi-point C-9 because though I am trained and for many years owned some fine firearms at this point in my life my interest is in self defense of my home and family. I'm on a limited budget due to the current economy and I don't have any intentions of carrying concealed. My priorities is for reliable handguns (more than one) that myself and my wife are able to access easily and know they will fire if needed. I find Hi-point fits this bill perfectly. An intruder will not run away because you wave a layaway slip at him and tell him you are saving up for a higher priced gun. My advice to anyone is to buy the you can afford take it to the range put a hundred rounds through it (don't overload the mag leave 1 round out) if you are happy good, if not start saving at that point. I would value your opinion as someone in the industry on your views on this. Thanks
February 16, 2013 at 8:21 pm
Hi-point has stated that their goal is to make personal defense available to all law bidding citizens. And they succeed, they probably should spend more attention to educating the brand new buyer to some basics.....like don't overload the magazine, proper shooting methods (would address the limp wrist issue) and ammo selection. But if you use common sense and a little knowledge they could save you and your family.
February 16, 2013 at 3:42 pm
WELL FOR THE PRICE YOU CANT BEAT THEM , AS A GOOD SHOOTING GUN MINE SHOOTS GREAT AND A LIFE TIME WARRANTY YOU CAN'T BEAT IT, SURE ITS NOT A SIG, OR A GLOCK I DID NOT BUY THE NAME I BOUGHT MINE FOR PROTECTION HOPING TO NEVER HAVE TO USE IT.IT SHOOTS FINE HAS NEVER JAMMED I WOULD NOT TRADE FOR NOTHING I LOVE IT LOVE LOVE LOVE IT.
February 16, 2013 at 4:48 pm
I put more than a thousands rounds thru a .45 without a single malfunction. I still have one of the first .40 cal. Carbines. Never had a problem with it either, and it's a blast to shoot.
Drew St Germain:
February 16, 2013 at 1:42 pm
I had a hi point 45 that was a very good gun. It was also easy to shoot and was usually what I would give to someone who had never shot before and wanted to try. I traded it for a SAA clone and I still miss it some times.
February 16, 2013 at 3:45 pm
AND THIS IS TO WILLIAM KILGORE--AND SEAN FRANCISCO IF YOU WOULD DISOWN A FRIEND FOR OWNING A HI-POINT YOU ARE BOTH ASSHOLES JUST SAYING AND I WOULD NOT WANT YOU AS A FRIEND.
February 16, 2013 at 4:25 pm
Get your facts straight Einstein, I said I wouldn't let a friend "carry" one, and nowhere in my original post did I say I would "disown" a friend. Call me an asshole all you want to, but if you choose to do so, I would suggest you get your facts in order, otherwise you come off as ignorant, and your opinion is thus...worthless.
Alan Kent Wittig-Jr:
February 16, 2013 at 7:30 pm
I've got to agree with you Sean, these things are all crap. The only "people" I see with these are wanna be bad asses and "Urban Youth" (gang bangers). Honestly, when I see someone with a Hi-Point, I think I might have to shoot them. Why? Because of the stigmata that goes with a gehto blaster like the Hi-Point. When you pick it up it feels like cheep pot metal. Oh well...I do want to say, spend an extra 2 bills and get a glock or even a hundred bucks and get a FM Hi-Power...yes they're not Browning or FN but they work, I know, I've used one....and use it well.
February 17, 2013 at 9:43 pm
do you even know what stigmata is? i don't think so.....the word you were looking for was stigma. people like you make the rest of us look ignorant.
February 18, 2013 at 11:03 am
Sean Francisco there is more ignorance coming out of your mouth than his bubba. You may have some of the people fooled. but only those that have a lower intellect than yours.
February 16, 2013 at 4:05 pm
sadly some of the custom paint and work on these guns cost more than the guns did in the first place. thatr said I like hi points. they are cheap and they work.
February 16, 2013 at 3:23 pm
I used to work at Guns and Ammo in Memphis, TN. I always thought they were a POS, tried to talk people out of buying one, hated to even show one to a customer! In my opinion, unless they have greatly improved them over the last 10 years, they're still a POS! At least they do look better than the early ones!
Edward Skip Bleistein:
February 16, 2013 at 4:27 pm
Look at it this way, if you need it and it works, would you rather have your 1000 dollar gun or your 200 dollar ugly reliable gun in evidence for years?
February 18, 2013 at 11:05 am
I'd rather have the one that was available at the time I needed it, I don't give a damn about the price, it's still cheaper than my funeral, or the funeral of one of my family members.
Hahahah! That's like putting rims on a Yugo. The paint job and holo-sights are worth more than the guns. lol
February 16, 2013 at 4:50 pm
By the way, nothing against the Hi-point owners. I had a couple and they all broke. So, no big deal. If its what you can afford and it servers, good for you. They did not work for me.
February 18, 2013 at 11:10 am
you should have tried not dropping them on the bar floor,,, as for the cost of the sights? well genius, that's not uncommon, Even MBRs get sights that cost more than the rifle, Hell a good hunting setup should have optics that at least equal the cost of the rifle, cheap scopes destroy hunts, "bad optics are worth less... less than the gun"... and that saying is at leas 6o years old
February 16, 2013 at 1:16 pm
You can't make a silk purse from a sow's ear.
no but pigskin wears better than silk