How it Breaks: Smith & Wesson M&P (VIDEO)
Review Uncategorized - 11.18.2011
Shortly after the Military & Police line of pistols was introduced in 2005, they garnered mixed reviews. Some publications loved the M&P pistols, while others not so much. There were reports of problems right out of the box and they weren’t break-in problems either. They were things like consistent jamming and even the front sight falling off. Whether it was a fluke, legitimate production problem, or quality control issue, S&W has since worked out the kinks and rectified the problems. 

To prove it, in 2008, Pistol-Training.com published results from an endurance test that deemed the M&P worthy of recognition. It took eight months of shooting and a total of 62,333 rounds to break the gun in a way that would be considered unsafe (even though it still worked) by a lawyer. The report is actually quite substantial, but the problem was very small: a tiny, little crack in the slide.

But they also identified a potential weakness in the gun that many M&P owners can attest to. Just remember, every gun has a weakness, but with safe handling and proper maintenance, most problems and unnecessary wear are preventable. For a Beretta 92: the design directs a lot of pressure onto the locking block, so don’t run it excessively hard for too long; for old model Glocks, it’s the ka-booms, so use quality ammo; and in the M&P’s case, it’s a broken slide stop.



In case you didn’t know, the slide stop locks open the slide when a magazine is empty. And if the slide closes after a magazine empties, the shooter may think there’s a round in the chamber when there really isn’t. And that can be dangerous, for say, a police officer during a gunfight.

What causes the slide stop to break? Well, when the slide is locked back on the M&P and a loaded magazine is slammed into the magwell with a little extra umph, the slide will drop on its own. Doing this too much, or too frequently, will cause premature wear on the slide stop.

And the slide stop isn’t much – it’s actually just a little nub on the inside of the gun. The slide stop notch actually has a lot of room, too, so there’s a difference when the slide locks back automatically on an empty magazine and when a user locks it manually.

A user can raise the slide stop higher up on the notch with his or her thumb than the lock can on its own (it may just catch the corner).

To avoid premature wear, practice inserting the magazine with a moderate amount of force – just enough to seat the magazine – and then release the slide manually.

And if the slide drops every time a magazine is inserted, then inspect the slide stop because it may have to be replaced. It costs about $18. I’ve heard about it breaking after 5,000 rounds if ran hard, but, if used properly, it can last as many as 20,000 or more.

But don’t let the minor maintenance woes discourage you from buying an S&W M&P. It’s a favorite for many when it comes to personal protection, law enforcement, and competitive shooting. And as long as it’s well maintained, the M&P will be reliable and shoot straight for a long, long time.
Saturday, November 19, 2011 klextacy - View Profile
Sounds like it might be more of an issue of weak magazine springs not pushing the follower high enough to engage that slide lock fully.

Sunday, November 20, 2011 hardtopjeep02 - View Profile

Klextacy, this is a problem with rounds in the magazine, not a last round hold open issue. The mag follower isn't touching the slide release when there is rounds in the mag. Definately something that would irritate me.

 

Sunday, November 20, 2011 klextacy - View Profile
Now that I've had time to sit and watch the entire 7 minutes, I see that. I would NOT be happy about that either. I had an M&P9c that spontaneously dropped the magazine after ever single shot. I thought I was ham-handing it, but even when I ensured that I was not touching the mag release, it would still drop after every shot.

To Smith & Wesson's credit, they took care of the issue without question. But, you shouldn't have to worry about your gun breaking because of a mechanical defect.

I hope they sort this design issue out, as they're pretty nice guns. OH.. and it'd be nice it they put a decent trigger in them, as well.
Thursday, November 24, 2011 evilwrench1975 - View Profile
part of the problem may be that it's  a 9mm... I don't know the mechanical differences between the two, I only have .40's. I can tell you that I have never had an issue with either of my two. Also, between the compact and full size, I have two different styles of triggers. I like both, but I'm sure you could find one that fits your preferences for a decent price.
Saturday, November 19, 2011 Bonus - View Profile
Don't have this issue with my XD and I run it hard and rarely clean it more then a boresnake and a wipe down.
Saturday, November 19, 2011 Julius - View Profile
I haven't had this problem per se, but I have felt it drop like they're saying. I don't slam the magazine in though. I also have an xdm and I've dropped the slide with that, too. But if you look at the slide stop on the inside of the frame it is tiny and only latches on the left even though it's an ambidextrous control.
Saturday, November 19, 2011 gregbgmc - View Profile
my m&p 40 must be the new and improved version . i do not have any issues with mine. my slide stays open with the last round fired, and it does not close when i insert a clip, it does close when i push down on the slide release to chamber a round. i own 2 of these weapons 1 with safety and 1 without safety . neither has a magazine safety .
Saturday, November 19, 2011 Daniel Terrill - View Profile
I've heard of this problem before, but the magazine disconnect was something a lot of people were concerned about, which frankly I didn't get. The magazine disconnect is on a few models, I think the California models, and all it does is prevent the gun from firing if a magazine is not inserted. I don't know why that would be a problem.
Sunday, November 20, 2011 hardtopjeep02 - View Profile

S&W has always been doing a mag disconnect on their semi-auto pistols. The Gen 3 guns you could actually take that lever out and bypass this safety feauture. It's personal preference really. I like the fact that I can hand my gun to someone with the mag out and know that there won't be an accidental discharge.

Sunday, November 20, 2011 hardtopjeep02 - View Profile
Nice article Derek. I say stick with the Gen 3 S&W guns. Solid and reliable. Don't believe the hype with the polamar guns unless you get a glock.
Monday, November 21, 2011 sdkidder - View Profile
I can do this with my Glocks, my 1911s, my Beretta 92, my Kahr CW40, and have even had it happen with my Ruger Mk III once. Most of your duty style guns will do this. I actually try to have the slide close when I slam it home as it gets you back into the fight faster. I do this with my M&P all of the time and it has never been a problem even after thousands of rounds.
Thursday, November 24, 2011 evilwrench1975 - View Profile
5000 to 20000 rounds (ran hard) that's not a very bad standing for a tiny piece of metal catching a slide with that firm of spring pressure. This is really a great gun, maybe the earlier models (which the article admits had some problems the manufacturer has corrected since the 2005 introduction) had issues, but which new model on the market doesn't? This is a solid piece of steel. I own two, both the standard and compact, both .40's, one with safety, one without... all I can say is that very few handguns can perform as well as this one does. I have NEVER jammed and I have NEVER had a slide slip on me, and I have NEVER dropped a magazine I didn't intend to drop. My favorite feature is the fact that it comes standard with 3 different size hand-grips for shooter's preference. If my 5'2" wife wants to use the gun this 6'1" Soldier normally fires, it takes only a few seconds to change to the smaller hand grip for her to put it on target.