Can we construct a counter-narrative to ISIS's end goal? (AUDIO)

Since 9/11, the philosophy has been moderate Muslims need to speak out against extremism and create a counter-narrative to the one peddled first by al-Qaida and now by ISIS.

National Public Radio talks with Scott Atran, an anthropologist who has spent a lot of time talking with former ISIS fighters, and he says moderation is not the answer.

He co-authored an article for The New York Review of Books, entitled “Paris: The War ISIS Wants.” He said in order to understand ISIS, you have to look at how they define their mission. Their goal, he says, as stated in their manifesto, is to inhabit places in chaos and then breed that chaos everywhere else.

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